do you want us to sign David Bentley?

[rebel23]

Originally Posted by Cardie

Gerrard can play rightback, doesn't mean it's the best place for him.

Is it better to buy players who are natural in that position or a collection of your favourites and just put them where there's a gap?

Fernandez and Nasri can play on the right, left and in behind and they can also get into the box, that's what I would buy them for. I would play them on the both the left and the right, you say move Babel to the right for Fernandez to play on the left (where he plays for Villarreal mostly), well no, play Babel and bring on Fernandez after an hour, we need a stronger bench

Similarly, Nasri can play on the right or in behind, I might even consider going for Bentley if I could have a big enough clear out and had money left over, then you could move Gerrard to CM and play Nasri "in behind", he can swap and interchange with the other attackers etc.

we need loads of options including from the bench and to cover for injuries/suspensions/different competitions

[Cardie]

Originally Posted by Liam

Look at Arsenal and Utd this season. They play with players in positions people maybe didnt consider their natural/normal position. Its very rare to find an attacking midfielder who cant play anywhere across the front.

Who have Utd played out of position on a consistent basis, infact who have Arsenal played (Hleb?)

And what happens to the rest of the positions that need more urgent attention or do we ignore them because some kid's got wood for Nasri?

Not to mention the absolute shit fit people have if Benitez dares to play anyone out of position.

[Cardie]

Originally Posted by rebel23

Fernandez and Nasri can play on the right, left and in behind and they can also get into the box, that's what I would buy them for. I would play them on the both the left and the right, you say move Babel to the right for Fernandez to play on the left (where he plays for Villarreal mostly), well no, play Babel and bring on Fernandez after an hour, we need a stronger bench

Similarly, Nasri can play on the right or in behind, I might even consider going for Bentley if I could have a big enough clear out and had money left over, then you could move Gerrard to CM and play Nasri "in behind", he can swap and interchange with the other attackers etc.

we need loads of options including from the bench and to cover for injuries/suspensions/different competitions

We're back to 'can' over 'should' again.

So having spunked the best part of 30 million quid on 'options' what do you propose we do with the positions that actually need strengthening?

[Liam]

Originally Posted by Cardie

Who have Utd played out of position on a consistent basis, infact who have Arsenal played (Hleb?)

And what happens to the rest of the positions that need more urgent attention or do we ignore them because some kid's got wood for Nasri?

Not to mention the absolute shit fit people have if Benitez dares to play anyone out of position.

Diaby, Rosicky, Eboue, Walcott...

Ronaldo has played more as a striker this season, definately not as a traditional right winger anyway. Giggs has been more central. Rooney has often appeared out on the left when other strikers are fit. And Tevez has drifted.

What positions are more urgent than our attacking positions? Nothing is more urgent in my eyes. A couple of top class full backs are maybe as important but no more.

[Moschops II]

Originally Posted by Brownie

He's a player who wasn't getting a look-in at a top club so he moved. He's done well for himself obviously, but nothing suggests to me that he could make that step back up.

Well, he's made it back as far as playing for England - which is more than Pennant's done.

I just get a weird feeling of deja vu when it comes to Bentley, because exactly the same arguments were made in the summer of 2003 when Joe Cole was going to leave West Ham. At that point, he was a "good but not good enough" player who was never going to succeed at a top level club - and instead we bought the "proven" "edge of your seat" international superstar Harry Kewell.

Five years later, who got the better buy, us or Chelsea?

[rebel23]

Originally Posted by Cardie

We're back to 'can' over 'should' again.

So having spunked the best part of 30 million quid on 'options' what do you propose we do with the positions that actually need strengthening?

haha wait a minute, ive just proposed players to play on the right, left and in behind (where Yossi, Pennant, Kuyt currently play), that to me is where we need to strengthen and i've just recouped about £25m in sales, so a decent net spend gives us £10m+ to spend on whatever else

[Cardie]

Originally Posted by Liam

Diaby, Rosicky, Eboue, Walcott...

Ronaldo has played more as a striker this season, definately not as a traditional right winger anyway. Giggs has been more central. Rooney has often appeared out on the left when other strikers are fit. And Tevez has drifted.

What positions are more urgent than our attacking positions? Nothing is more urgent in my eyes. A couple of top class full backs are maybe as important but no more.

So what makes Ronaldo a striker but Rooney playing on the left, surely the system you're talking about (and the one he was using in the CL alot the past few seasons) wold have Ronaldo and Rooney both as strikers or both as wide players depending on how you want to label it. Eboue, Giggs etc play out of position because of inuries mainly (Giggs more because he's losing his pace and impact outwide) Arsenal's team is woefully unbalanced in midfield so they have little choice but to switch players around.

And if you want to buy attacking players buy players that fit the position rather than trying to shoehorn them into other positions because they have a sparkly name.

Nasri is best as a number 10, we have Gerrard, why pay big money for someone who isn't going to play in his best position?

[rebel23]

Originally Posted by Cardie

So what makes Ronaldo a striker but Rooney playing on the left, surely the system you're talking about (and the one he was using in the CL alot the past few seasons) wold have Ronaldo and Rooney both as strikers or both as wide players depending on how you want to label it. Eboue, Giggs etc play out of position because of inuries mainly (Giggs more because he's losing his pace and impact outwide) Arsenal's team is woefully unbalanced in midfield so they have little choice but to switch players around.

And if you want to buy attacking players buy players that fit the position rather than trying to shoehorn them into other positions because they have a sparkly name.

Nasri is best as a number 10, we have Gerrard, why pay big money for someone who isn't going to play in his best position?

yep, Ronaldo is a winger isnt he Cardie, he never leaves the touchline, that's how he gets 30+ goals a season, he's stuck hugging that touchline playing as a traditional winger (snigger)

and at 20, how do you know what Nasri's best position is? ive seen him on the right WING skinning players, i've seen him running the ball outside players on the left, he can play there, he's a good footballer.

Babel isnt a traditional left winger, his best position is up front (my options would allow us to rest Torres and play Babel in his best position occasionally), but we still paid £11m and play him there

[Cardie]

You'll have to show me where I said Ronaldo is just a winger.

Babel, he's played most of his career on that side for club and country unfortunately.

[rebel23]

Originally Posted by Cardie

You'll have to show me where I said Ronaldo is just a winger.

Babel, he's played most of his career on that side for club and country unfortunately.

also Cardie the "just get them" policy, if Nasri turns out to be top class in a number 10 role, then we can just move Gerrard to CM. I would also "just get" Aguero if I could and that would mean moving Gerrard back, you just buy good players and fit them in, though Aguero is an example of a player who CANNOT play on the right or left, he is so much better central whereas Nasri has the talent and ability to play wider

your rigid attitude is out of date

[Liam]

Originally Posted by Cardie

So what makes Ronaldo a striker but Rooney playing on the left, surely the system you're talking about (and the one he was using in the CL alot the past few seasons) wold have Ronaldo and Rooney both as strikers or both as wide players depending on how you want to label it. Eboue, Giggs etc play out of position because of inuries mainly (Giggs more because he's losing his pace and impact outwide) Arsenal's team is woefully unbalanced in midfield so they have little choice but to switch players around.

And if you want to buy attacking players buy players that fit the position rather than trying to shoehorn them into other positions because they have a sparkly name.

Nasri is best as a number 10, we have Gerrard, why pay big money for someone who isn't going to play in his best position?

So players do play in more than one position? Gerrard and Nasri are very different players and I wouldnt label Gerrard as a No.10 either.

Your hardly shoehorning an attacking player to play in one of the 3 positions behind the striker are you? These roles require very little tracking back and the freedom to make things happen.

[Cardie]

Originally Posted by Liam

So players do play in more than one position? Gerrard and Nasri are very different players and I wouldnt label Gerrard as a No.10 either.

Your hardly shoehorning an attacking player to play in one of the 3 positions behind the striker are you? These roles require very little tracking back and the freedom to make things happen.

It seems two players can play in the same position and yet be playing in different position if the Rooney/Ronaldo example is anything to go by. And yes of course players can play in different positions, whether that's best for them or maximises their effectiveness is another matter entirely. Watching the France game it seemed Rooney had no idea how to play upfront let alone any other position.

Clearly you have very little grasp of how Benitez likes his teams to play if you believe for one minute he'd entertain the idea of players not tracking back.

[Cardie]

Originally Posted by rebel23

also Cardie the "just get them" policy, if Nasri turns out to be top class in a number 10 role, then we can just move Gerrard to CM. I would also "just get" Aguero if I could and that would mean moving Gerrard back, you just buy good players and fit them in, though Aguero is an example of a player who CANNOT play on the right or left, he is so much better central whereas Nasri has the talent and ability to play wider

your rigid attitude is out of date

You are Jesus Garcia Pitarch and I claim my £5.

[rebel23]

Originally Posted by Cardie

You are Jesus Garcia Pitarch and I claim my £5.

you make me laugh Cardie, im amazed at how silly you've been tonight

so Gerrard is a natural number 10 then? we're not playing him out of position?

Babel is a natural left winger? despite the fact that he himself says he's more of a striker

and Dirk Kuyt is a natural right winger, of course, how can one forget.

[Cardie]