DIC: takeover thread

[Kennys_spell]

Originally Posted by Rashid That's not the point mate. What I am saying is that he has been given more money than they have had in the past 18 months. How much money do we need to give him? If it is an Abramovich style injection than most of you are hypocrites.

It has to be enough for us to be able to pay £30 Mill for a forward when we want to. It has be be enough for us to pay £20 Mill for a midfielder if we want to, it has to be enough for us to pay £30 Mill for a defender. It has to be enough for us to pay £17/18 Mill for players who spend a season or two on the bench.

If it isn't then Chelsea and Man Utd will still be outspending us and getting better players.

[Rashid]

I don't have a problem with mentioning his achievements...

2 European Cup Finals - 1 win
A semi final - nearly there again!
FA Cup win.
Carling Cup Final
Best ever PL points total
Less defeats than United this season
Buying Reina, Mascherano, Torres, Agger etc.

Above all making us the most feared team in Europe.

He has been able to do that because he has been backed in the transfer market. He would have done even better had we not messed up signing some players e.g. Figo, Simao, Walcott etc.

I am also not playing some psychological game by demeaning his achievements of style of play - both of which we can see with out own eyes and make opinions on.

Where I have a problem is this revisionism about us spending fuck all. So I ask again, as he has spent more than United and Arsenal (by a stretch) in his time here what do people want? An Abramovich type of investment - a yes or no will suffice.

Finally, I have achieved hate figure status on the back of speaking my mind. I wouldn't shit out of saying I want the manager sacked. I have said I do if he doesn't challenge this season. That said, and having seen him turn the team around after a disasterous winter I think he has had his "Alex Ferguson Norwich" moment and he could go on to become a legend - or he might not.

I think another season is what he deserves without a doubt.

[Rashid]

Originally Posted by Kennys_spell It has to be enough for us to be able to pay £30 Mill for a forward when we want to. It has be be enough for us to pay £20 Mill for a midfielder if we want to, it has to be enough for us to pay £30 Mill for a defender. It has to be enough for us to pay £17/18 Mill for players who spend a season or two on the bench. If it isn't then Chelsea and Man Utd will still be outspending us and getting better players.

It is and has been.... but we could choose to buy 5 squad players instead.

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[Kennys_spell]

[quote=Rashid;1117045]I don't have a problem with mentioning his achievements...

He has been able to do that because he has been backed in the transfer market. He would have done even better had we not messed up signing some players e.g. Figo, Simao, Walcott etc.

eh? So he's been backed in the transfer market except for the players listed where he wasn't backed in the transfer market? You need to explain that to me.

Where I have a problem is this revisionism about us spending fuck all. So I ask again, as he has spent more than United and Arsenal

Arsenal can be left out of this because they've spent less than us and won fuck all doing it - do you want to support the football team or the accountants?

Anyway - Man Utd and Chelsea are the relevant comparisons - Both have got club transfer records much much higher than ours (by a stretch) in almost every position on the pitch - and that from a position of strength.

what do people want? An Abramovich type of investment - a yes or no will suffice.

Thats what it will take to make us champions - not just for one season but for many to come.

[Rashid]

Originally Posted by Kennys_spell Thats what it will take to make us champions - not just for one season but for many to come.

That was not the interview he gave when he went for this job. But now you say it, I am glad we are clear.

We need an Abramovich.

[Kennys_spell]

Originally Posted by Rashid It is and has been.... but we could choose to buy 5 squad players instead.

That doesn't make sense given that you've just made another post with the names of three people that we couldn't buy due to costs.

The point about us buying 5 squad players is also a red herring - When Man Utd buy 5 squad players they cost £20 Mill each. Ours cost between £6 and £10. Who's going to get the better choice?

[Kennys_spell]

Originally Posted by Rashid That was not the interview he gave when he went for this job. But now you say it, I am glad we are clear. We need an Abramovich.

Has anyone said to you that we don't?

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[Rashid]

Originally Posted by Kennys_spell Has anyone said to you that we don't?

Yes. Chelsea are derided for it.. and Rafa goes on about it. We got Rafa because we thought he could do it without an Abramovich.

[bobhorse]

Rash the answer to the yes or no question depends on the time scale you applied to it if you want success on all fronts next season then the answer might have to be Yes

But most Liverpool Fans would just like to see Rafa backed with Money when he needs to move for his targets and not see him frustrated as they slip the net cos we cant compete

Rafa has improved the team with the money he has spent for that 60m net we have

Pepe
Agger
Skrtel
Alonso
Javi
Babel
Torres
Pennent
Yossi
Kuyt
Crouch
Carson

That is 12 players averaging 5m each that doesnt include youth players or the likes of Vorinin
Arbeloa
Aurelio etc etc

If he can do that in 4 season then i would give him another contract back him with real money and allow him to spend player sales income i think if he was allowed to do that then he good add 3 Torres type signings to the team this year and we would be in a much stronger position to challange

This is my prefered option so no i dont want a Billionaire playing footy manager for us

I dont want to see Rafa's budget being spent on repaying debts to allow two yanks to be owners of the club either

[Kennys_spell]

Originally Posted by Rashid Yes. Chelsea are derided for it.. and Rafa goes on about it. We got Rafa because we thought he could do it without an Abramovich.

You actually didn't answer my question there - perhaps it was an oversight -Has anyone said we don't need one?

We got Benitez because we thought he could get us challenging for honours again without necessarrily having to spend forturnes - it was never omitted from the equation.

Given that the fortunes that teams were spending when Benitez was employed has grown even more, I think it would be only fair to allow his budget to grow.

So to get back on track - If United spend £20 mill on two players to sit on the bench, it's fair to expect that Benitez should be allowed to do the same if a demand is made for him to win the Prem.

[Rashid]

Originally Posted by Kennys_spell You actually didn't answer my question there - perhaps it was an oversight -Has anyone said we don't need one? We got Benitez because we thought he could get us challenging for honours again without necessarrily having to spend forturnes - it was never omitted from the equation. Given that the fortunes that teams were spending when Benitez was employed has grown even more, I think it would be only fair to allow his budget to grow. So to get back on track - If United spend £20 mill on two players to sit on the bench, it's fair to expect that Benitez should be allowed to do the same if a demand is made for him to win the Prem.

You have clearly not understood what I am saying.

If United get two prospects to sit on the bench while they learn their trade (you can be sure next term will be big seasons for Nani and Anderson) that is their prerogative. Rafa can do the same if he wants to... he has spent more than United this past year after all. As for your question about teams spending even more than before since Rafa arrived, I think that's rubbish unless of course you want our club run along Chelsea lines.

[WaltonRed]

Can we just ban him and get it over and done with

[Chippo]

Rashids agenda is obvious it makes me sick. I cant think of a manager that would have done a better job than rafa has in his period given the circumstances (resources, the team he took over, etc.) Why you could want him out is beyond me.

And its not just the financial situation that has blocked rafa from getting his main targets, you also have Parry..

[zigackly]

Is this the Rashid takeover thread, or have I taken a wrong turn again?