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Old 21st February 2008, 12:01 PM
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I think the reason Wenger got time was because he'd won the League 3 times, the FA Cup 3 times, and finished in the top 4 consistently over the last 10 years he'd been at the club..
But he's won nothing for what, 3 seasons ? Finished 4th twice behind us. Rafa has a CL win and an FA Cup win, what did Wenger win in his first 3 seasons ? And before you ask, Fergie won nothing in his.

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Redrosetints, we still don't have players coming through though. The ones we bought are players we paid quite a reasonable price for and didn't nurture through our reserves and gradually brought into the team. Yes they're top players, but they aren't similar to what Wenger's done..
But I didnt say he'd brought them through did I ? (Mayeb I did, dont think so) I just said we have alot of young players in the first team already, Im not comparing, yet, what Rafa and Wenger have done, just stated that however they arrived, we actually have a very young team. But I think as Dirk points out, in a few more seasons, direct comparisons between WEngers 'youth' policy and Rafas may stand up.
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Eccleston has a decent goal record too.
Better at catching Daleks though....

Oh you mean Nathan ? Yes, I heard that too.
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I agree with you to an extent, but Wenger's been bringing unknowns through for ages now, so I don't think that's a fair assumption.

Henry,Anelka, Pires and Vieira were hardly known outside of their respective countries, along with most of the players he bought.

I hope there are some good youth players coming through, but our track record doesn't really show any major chance of that.

Wenger's does.

On another note Barrett is getting horribly boring with just posting interview after interview in his daily column.
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Wenger has also built a really dodgy link with a Belgian club to allow him to get past work permit regulations and sign African kids like Toure and Eboue.
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I agree with you to an extent, but Wenger's been bringing unknowns through for ages now, so I don't think that's a fair assumption.

Henry,Anelka, Pires and Vieira were hardly known outside of their respective countries, along with most of the players he bought.

I hope there are some good youth players coming through, but our track record doesn't really show any major chance of that.

Wenger's does.

On another note Barrett is getting horribly boring with just posting interview after interview in his daily column.
Henry played for Juve and Vieira played for Milan. Both of them outside of France. Wenger is French, whereas Rafa is Spanish. One gets hammered for buying Spanish/latin players the other one doesn't for buying French players. It's the double standards that fucks me off about the media.
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Old 21st February 2008, 12:15 PM
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I agree with you to an extent, but Wenger's been bringing unknowns through for ages now, so I don't think that's a fair assumption.

Henry,Anelka, Pires and Vieira were hardly known outside of their respective countries, along with most of the players he bought.

I hope there are some good youth players coming through, but our track record doesn't really show any major chance of that.

Wenger's does.

On another note Barrett is getting horribly boring with just posting interview after interview in his daily column.
Henry and Viera cost 16m and were signed from Juve and Milan. Hardly, unknown kids who were batting oranges about the street to each other.

Wengers track record in his first few years was Anelka. Its only been the last few season, coincidentally, when they've won nothing, that he's actually brought a whole team of kids through. Again, Im not saying Rafa has done the same, just that we have a very young sqaud. Plus Wengers genius, given a pateient board and some time, is to bring through youngsters. So to not be up to Wengers record isnt a great crime. Wenger can't match Rafa in the league or Europe, since he's been here, so maybe Wenger will get on up on Rafa this season. But Id rather Rafa our manager than the Prof.
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Old 21st February 2008, 12:16 PM
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Wenger got a fair bit hammering for buying French players, and moreso for not having a single english player in the starting lineup.

He hasn't had a regular English player in the lineup for quite a while now, but the media seem to have got bored of that party-line.

Walcott's the only regular one in the side isn't he?
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EmilHamilton is stinking this thread out badly.

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Wenger got a fair bit hammering for buying French players, and moreso for not having a single english player in the starting lineup.

He hasn't had a regular English player in the lineup for quite a while now, but the media seem to have got bored of that party-line.

Walcott's the only regular one in the side isn't he?
4 starts in the league in 26 matches is not what I would call regular.
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Comparing the transfer record of Wenger with ANY manager let alone Rafa is ridiculous. However much he has spent, he has near on ZERO NET spend in his 10 years there. What the fuck is there to discuss and compare?

Henry was bought when nobody wanted him, Vieira was a reserve at Milan and an unknown - he took a chance on both to his credit.
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We have a number of young players that are highly rated such as Nemeth, Bruna, Pacheco, Insua and Simon is supposed to be highly rated but he's obviously been injured. There's probably more with a chance of making it too.
Rafa just wont take a chance on youngsters, anyone who watchs the reserve game will tell you insua is the best left full at the club and he has'nt played a game all season, no matter how many goals nemeth scores for the reserves rafa wont give him a sniff, he was the same at Valencia does'nt take a chance on unproven.
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]Rafa just wont take a chance on youngsters,[/b] anyone who watchs the reserve game will tell you insua is the best left full at the club and he has'nt played a game all season, no matter how many goals nemeth scores for the reserves rafa wont give him a sniff, he was the same at Valencia does'nt take a chance on unproven.

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Rafa just wont take a chance on youngsters, anyone who watchs the reserve game will tell you insua is the best left full at the club and he has'nt played a game all season, no matter how many goals nemeth scores for the reserves rafa wont give him a sniff, he was the same at Valencia does'nt take a chance on unproven.
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Comparing the transfer record of Wenger with ANY manager let alone Rafa is ridiculous. However much he has spent, he has near on ZERO NET spend in his 10 years there. What the fuck is there to discuss and compare?

Henry was bought when nobody wanted him, Vieira was a reserve at Milan and an unknown - he took a chance on both to his credit.
Got a point there.
Henry was being played as a winger at Juve (I'm sure of it) and wasn't a regular there either. Both, especially Henry, were considered wastes of money when bought by Wenger yet when he sold him years later when seemingly past his prime he still made a profit. The only big money gaffs I can remember him making were Jeffers and Wright, both of these failures could be the reason he doesn't shop in the British market anymore. You could add Wiltord to that but thats being a bit harsh.
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Got a point there.
Henry was being played as a winger at Juve (I'm sure of it) and wasn't a regular there either. Both, especially Henry, were considered wastes of money when bought by Wenger yet when he sold him years later when seemingly past his prime he still made a profit. The only big money gaffs I can remember him making were Jeffers and Wright, both of these failures could be the reason he doesn't shop in the British market anymore. You could add Wiltord to that but thats being a bit harsh.
Wiltord was pretty shit considering the money.
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Comparing the transfer record of Wenger with ANY manager let alone Rafa is ridiculous. However much he has spent, he has near on ZERO NET spend in his 10 years there. What the fuck is there to discuss and compare?

Henry was bought when nobody wanted him, Vieira was a reserve at Milan and an unknown - he took a chance on both to his credit.
whinger has sold players on at a HUGE profit and he is uncanny at knowing when to get rid. but he has spent his fair share on duds, jeffers anyone? wright? etc

its also funny people always qoute whingers NETT spend but always qoute rafa's GROSS spend.
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