TOMKINS - Rafa's new Assistant

[kop]

Originally Posted by Rashid What was the point in all that formation bollox, the simple facts are that we played one up front on his own with a strong midfield that has both midfielders and attackers playing in it. 4231 and 451 and 433 is one of the same! As is 442 and 424! But lets just forget everything, and just agree that whatever formation Rafa plays the players will run around like robots playing in zones concentrating on the opposition more than they do on themselves. It is not the numbers that count, it's the mentality.

Yes Rashid, of course.

With you in charge we would've stood still with Gerrard on right back, Carra as a holding midfielder, and Reina as striker (probably "up front on his own").

Let's just agree on that instead.

Up front on his own my arse.

[Stu Monty]

Originally Posted by Rashid What was the point in all that formation bollox, the simple facts are that we played one up front on his own with a strong midfield that has both midfielders and attackers playing in it. 4231 and 451 and 433 is one of the same! As is 442 and 424! But lets just forget everything, and just agree that whatever formation Rafa plays the players will run around like robots playing in zones concentrating on the opposition more than they do on themselves. It is not the numbers that count, it's the mentality.

Don't get the simpleton's opinion mixed up with the simple facts.

That begging letter you sent out looks funnier with every day you post here.

[RedKnight]

I like formations.

[RedKnight]

Remember Pele in Escape To Victory? "I do zees and zees and score", that's Rafa that is.

[RSM]

Originally Posted by Stu Monty Don't get the simpleton's opinion mixed up with the simple facts. That begging letter you sent out looks funnier with every day you post here.

Where is the begging letter?

[Spooky]

I think we should play 4-4-4-4 and hope no one notices

[Adam_M]

Originally Posted by Rashid What was the point in all that formation bollox, the simple facts are that we played one up front on his own with a strong midfield that has both midfielders and attackers playing in it. 4231 and 451 and 433 is one of the same! As is 442 and 424! But lets just forget everything, and just agree that whatever formation Rafa plays the players will run around like robots playing in zones concentrating on the opposition more than they do on themselves. It is not the numbers that count, it's the mentality.

A bit harsh there mate. Against Bolton you could see the tactical manacles were still there but the players weren't robot-like in carrying the gaffer's tactical instructions and were more positive in an attacking sense. You are right though concerning the mentality. At the Reebok, it was spot-on and that's why we got the points.

[drewy]

Originally Posted by Rashid What was the point in all that formation bollox, the simple facts are that we played one up front on his own with a strong midfield that has both midfielders and attackers playing in it. 4231 and 451 and 433 is one of the same! As is 442 and 424! But lets just forget everything, and just agree that whatever formation Rafa plays the players will run around like robots playing in zones concentrating on the opposition more than they do on themselves. It is not the numbers that count, it's the mentality.

It's good to see Rash, you started the day well, posting shite, more shite throughout the day and you finish off with this belter.

You are beyond help; you're either a stubborn sod or just plain thick. I liked to think I knew which one, I don't anymore.

[jackofdk]

4-5-1 = 4-2-3-1 = 4-3-3 = 4-4-2 with a deep striker.

Numbers doesn't matter much to top coaches, I'm sure. It's how you play it ie. how for up the field your lines are, how you pressure and if you prefer the long or short ball from the back.

You can play dreamfootball in a 4-5-1 (Rafas Valencia) and Wimbledonstyle in a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 (as Bolton did it)

One thing that annoyed the shit out of me was when Mourinho and Rafa lined up in the same formation, Chelsea was reported as playing 4-3-3 which sounds positive, and Liverpool were playing 4-5-1 which were used as a stick to hit Rafa with.

And basically even though Rafa "converted" to 4-4-2, theres always been one striker dropping far deeper to pick up the ball (which I actually partially blame for ruining both Kuyt and Morientes, as it's not their natural position) effectively making it a 4-5-1.

And obviously Kuyt isn't the answer for right wing, but he's probably the best we haev now, since Pennant couldn't score in a brothel.

[Unrighteous]

Originally Posted by jackofdk Pennant couldn't score in a brothel.

Not even with his wages!

[BROCK]

Is it not basically the same formation that United and Chelsea play only Andy Gray calls their formations 4-3-3??

Its pissed me off for ages that they call it a 4-3-3 when it's blatently a 4-5-1 with the wingers given more freedom to bomb forward due to having two holding midfielders. 4-2-3-1 is much more accurate but should be used for the other teams formations and not just ours. As mentioned a few pages ago... its all spin!

[john23liverpool]

Originally Posted by drewy Exactly, stupid arse fuckin' figures being banded about.

to be fair though, nobody really knows apart from bill and ben.

I for one was surprised when they shelled out 18m for mascherano so you never know. Obviously people will speculate but thats all it is until we see the proof in the summer.

[john23liverpool]

Originally Posted by kopitegaz Rashid in "Kuyt responsible for all Liverpool FC's problems", shocker.. News just in. Kuyt also responsible for 9/11, the Iraq war, North Korea, The Middle East, Everton being in the top 4, Princess Di being killed (Al Fayed said so, it was at the end of his long rant), Harry having to come home from Afghanistan.

You forgot JFK. "Kuyt caught on grassy knoll".............

Kuyt is the new Riise isn't he, havent heard him blamed for anything for a while, bet he's starting to feel left out.

[BROCK]

Originally Posted by john23liverpool Kuyt is the new Riise isn't he, havent heard him blamed for anything for a while, bet he's starting to feel left out.

He has been left out... by Rafa. Thank Fuck!
I noticed we went shit when he came on on Sunday though...

[DT]

Ahem...

Alan Curbishley: "I heard our fans voicing their disapproval, they think that playing 4-5-1 is negative. But that is how Liverpool played tonight, even if they had top players who could change a game."

[Stu Monty]

Originally Posted by DT Ahem... Alan Curbishley: "I heard our fans voicing their disapproval, they think that playing 4-5-1 is negative. But that is how Liverpool played tonight, even if they had top players who could change a game."

Ban Curbishley and DT!