Is it really an injustice?

[Dirk]

Originally Posted by KevieG Ferguson overtook us by spending less money would be one you could make

He broke the British transfer record when he bought Gary Pallister. It's about comparison, as a proportion of overall spending, as a percentage, our average spend per player would have been closer to theirs then than compared to what it is now. I've been thinking about this a lot, I have a statistics package on my computer that I have to use for uni, I am going to perform a statistical analysis of money spent to points gained, in the hope of showing that money spent is a significant and strong predictor of points gained.

[KevieG]

Originally Posted by hamstrung Different times. Pointless comparison even if its true - which I doubt.

I agree but Rafa's backers are quite happy to use the Fergie and 7 years comparision when it suits them.

Those were different times. Can't have it both ways

[WaltonRed]

Its not the time to turn on each other, everyone has an opinion and you dont have to read what they say.

The internet takes things and blows them up out of all proportion.

[billybonzo]

Originally Posted by KevieG Ferguson overtook us by spending less money would be one you could make

He maybe did who knows without a bit of research, but he also had a golden generation of kids to choose from, which unless you haven't noticed are still serving him well even now, Benitez on the other hand were not as fortunate

[WaltonRed]

Originally Posted by Dirk He broke the British transfer record when he bought Gary Pallister. It's about comparison, as a proportion of overall spending, as a percentage, our average spend per player would have been closer to theirs then than compared to what it is now. I've been thinking about this a lot, I have a statistics package on my computer that I have to use for uni, I am going to perform a statistical analysis of money spent to points gained, in the hope of showing that money spent is a significant and strong predictor of points gained.

It will show more money spent more points gained but its not about that for me, would Rafa buy the right players if he had money? And would you give him 30m for a player if he didnt play every game?

I dont think like that but im sure messrs Hicks and gillette do.

[Spy Bee]

Originally Posted by Dirk I have a statistics package on my computer, I am going to perform a statistical analysis of money spent to points gained, in the hope of showing that money spent is a significant and strong predictor of points gained.

[KevieG]

Originally Posted by Dirk He broke the British transfer record when he bought Gary Pallister. It's about comparison, as a proportion of overall spending, as a percentage, our average spend per player would have been closer to theirs then than compared to what it is now. I've been thinking about this a lot, I have a statistics package on my computer that I have to use for uni, I am going to perform a statistical analysis of money spent to points gained, in the hope of showing that money spent is a significant and strong predictor of points gained.

We broke it with Beardsley and Saunders, we also paid good money to bring Rush back.

Personally I think United really only started blowing us away financially from the mid nineties onwards.

All I'm saying really is money isn't the main problem here. Wenger is working on a smaller budget than us for years

[KevieG]

Originally Posted by billybonzo He maybe did who knows without a bit of research, but he also had a golden generation of kids to choose from, which unless you haven't noticed are still serving him well even now, Benitez on the other hand were not as fortunate

The golden generation of kids thing is overplayed. We had players as good as them. Plus that was his second side

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by KevieG It was the big story before he decided to stay at Barca and we switched our attention to Barca, if I pull out some newspaper arcticles you'll probably say it just paper bullshit. Torres happened and I couldn't be happier. He's a far better player

torres is better than eto'o? based on what?

[Dirk]

Originally Posted by KevieG We broke it with Beardsley and Saunders, we also paid good money to bring Rush back. Personally I think United really only started blowing us away financially from the mid nineties onwards. All I'm saying really is money isn't the main problem here. Wenger is working on a smaller budget than us for years

It's possible to analyse the variance using multiple factors, it's possible to try and look at how much time spent in charge and money spent predict points gained. It'd possible to do a long term analysis of money spent, prior to when the manager was placed in charge to see if this has an effect on a manager's subsequent ability to secure success. It'll take me a couple of weeks to do but it'll be interesting so I might give it a go.

[KevieG]

Originally Posted by spider-neil torres is better than eto'o? based on what?

Its my opinion.

[billybonzo]

Originally Posted by spider-neil torres is better than eto'o? based on what?

Possibly the fact that E'too(sp) is known as something of a trouble maker and has yet to do it in the premiership. Its all ifs and buts.

[kopitegaz]

Can any new thread that is either a "we are shit", or a "rafa is shit" thread, please either be merged into the 100 or so other threads on those subjects, or deleted?

Of course the subject should be debated, but do we really need a new thread everytime someone gets pissed off?

[Brownie]

Originally Posted by Dirk It's possible to analyse the variance using multiple factors, it's possible to try and look at how much time spent in charge and money spent predict points gained. It'd possible to do a long term analysis of money spent, prior to when the manager was placed in charge to see if this has an effect on a manager's subsequent ability to secure success. It'll take me a couple of weeks to do but it'll be interesting so I might give it a go.

I've got this funny picture in my head of you staying up until 5am doing this analysis and finding some great statistics to support your theories.

As you're waiting for the internet page to load so you can log on here, you put SSN on and it says that Rafa's been sacked!

I don't know why but that's in my head!

This thread is boring by the way, we've done this repeatedly over the last few weeks.

[KevieG]

Originally Posted by Dirk It's possible to analyse the variance using multiple factors, it's possible to try and look at how much time spent in charge and money spent predict points gained. It'd possible to do a long term analysis of money spent, prior to when the manager was placed in charge to see if this has an effect on a manager's subsequent ability to secure success. It'll take me a couple of weeks to do but it'll be interesting so I might give it a go.

Take Ferguson's first 10 years in charge. I'd almost guarantee that we outpsent them quite easily but our roles were reversed by the end of his first decade.

We've been mismanaged since Kenny left, I though Rafa was the man to change it, now I don't.

[billybonzo]

Rashid certainly does, you should know by now that he has to have "his own soap box" or he will take his ball in.

[Dirk]

Originally Posted by Brownie I've got this funny picture in my head of you staying up until 5am doing this analysis and finding some great statistics to support your theories.

Beats making stuff up to suit my discussion, though, eh?