A return to terracing: the argument gets stronger

[Kopite]

I was at Hillsborough and standing didn't kill the 96.

Being treated like battery hens with a fence blocking your only route of escape was one of the causes (along with non-existent crowd control).

I'm all for a return to standing.

[real red]

I think if standing really had been the cause of Hillsborough it wouldn't be allowed elsewhere. The reason we still want justice is because we know our 96 died for reasons other than standing.

I know they still have standing at rugby league grounds, and for certain games those grounds are packed out, so what's the difference? They've never, as far as I know, had fences between the fans and the pitch, and they of course allow fans to walk all around the ground freely so there's no fencing dividing one end up into small sections.

[Cath]

Originally Posted by Kopite I was at Hillsborough and standing didn't kill the 96. Being treated like battery hens with a fence blocking your only route of escape was one of the causes (along with non-existent crowd control). I'm all for a return to standing.

Ditto

[Red Nick]

Originally Posted by AdamS Nick you sign off like that as though anybody who wants to discuss a return to terracing is disrespecting the memory of those who died at Hilsborough, that's clearly not the case. I'm all for safe standing & would love to see it brough back.

No offence meant but just typing on this brings back those terrible memories could you just imagine if there was some sort of accident involving Liverpool fans, god forbid.

Who remembers Hysel, the bottom line is if both stadiums had been all seater then neither would have happened IMO

Anyway I respect anybody who wants it but I would campaign against it and nothing can change my point of view and I just ask others to respect that

[mattyq]

Not for me. I'm with Nick on this one

[robslappa]

There's no way I'd like to see the return of terracing.

[Fat-Pat]

I would love to see the return of terracing just to spite that bitch Thatcher!!

[plonky]

Originally Posted by Fat-Pat I would love to see the return of terracing just to spite that bitch Thatcher!!

Not sure she'd be particularly arsed either way!

[Mr Moustache]

This is a very emotive subject for all of us and still divides us.

I wasn't at Hillsborough but I gave my ST voucher to somebody who was. I was so glad I made that decision.

Personally I would like nothing more to stand at Football Matches again in a proper controlled, safe environment.

True there where scary times on terraces. I was a kid going to away games etc and there where times when I got frightened by the sheer numbers of people packed in around me. I still maintain that the scariest I have felt was during the unbelievable atmosphere on a reduced Kop when we played Spartak Moscow in 92. I was in the middle and the arse fell out of my keks a few times until they scored.

The argument to say that terracing is unsafe is like saying planes aren't safe. If safety of the people contained within is the MAIN priority and the people in charge are competent then 99% of the time there will be no problem and with the money in football these days as opposed to back then then there shouldnt ever be an issue with this.

Look at the points below:

1. We all stood for 4 years or so after Hillsborough and nobody got seriously hurt then and that was on the old Spion Kop.

2. People stand at gigs both indoor and outdoor - why not the debate/argument there?

Unfortunately this argument, though vital, is redundant, particularly to us. I don't EVER forsee a time when we will be able to stand on a Terrace and watch our beloved Reds at home. I could see it maybe happening at other clubs but not us.

[The Acolyte]

Terracing will return to top flight football eventually. Mark my words.
It will be a lot more technologically controlled but it will return.
Maybe incorporated into the New Kop, part of the signing section. Is it afair to say the crowds have been quieter since the end of terracing.
After all you don't see professional singers sitting down as they belt out a tune.
You just can't fill your lungs adequately can you?

[thechap]

Originally Posted by Monkeywool You can have all the safety procedures and technology in the world, but there would still be a lot of problems with terracing, it is better now all seater than it has ever been, maybe it's because I get claustrophobic when i am standing around with a load of people and I need my space, who knows? I still prefer all seater and would never want to go back myself.

Fair enough if you want to sit but why impose that will on the thousands of others who want to stand? I don't see why anyone who wants to sit should be able to tell everyone else that they have to sit also. Horses for courses.

There is clearly a market for terracing and it can clearly be done safely. It is just the stubborness of those holding the reins that prevents it.

[Red Nick]

Originally Posted by thechap Fair enough if you want to sit but why impose that will on the thousands of others who want to stand? I don't see why anyone who wants to sit should be able to tell everyone else that they have to sit also. Horses for courses. There is clearly a market for terracing and it can clearly be done safely. It is just the stubborness of those holding the reins that prevents it.

I cant ever imagine LFC will ever go to standing again due to history and financial economics, the stadium will be built well any change of law was bought in and if we've got 80000 there's no financial benefit to having standing.

[thechap]

Originally Posted by Red Nick I cant ever imagine LFC will ever go to standing again due to history and financial economics, the stadium will be built well any change of law was bought in and if we've got 80000 there's no financial benefit to having standing.

It's not primarily about finance though. It's about atmosphere and getting the best out of your day. It's what a lot of fans want.

[Red Nick]

Originally Posted by thechap It's not primarily about finance though. It's about atmosphere and getting the best out of your day. It's what a lot of fans want.

Those same fans want to see players such as Torres, Gerrard and Diezawonderkid playing for there team and they have to be paid from somewhere.

FTR its in this thread already I dont want terracing back.

[thechap]

Originally Posted by Red Nick Those same fans want to see players such as Torres, Gerrard and Diezawonderkid playing for there team and they have to be paid from somewhere. FTR its in this thread already I dont want terracing back.

Fair enough Nick, if that's what you yourself want then no-one would make you stand. But why would you say to other fans that they have to sit when they want to stand - especially as it can be done safely?

[Red Nick]

Originally Posted by Red Nick No offence meant but just typing on this brings back those terrible memories could you just imagine if there was some sort of accident involving Liverpool fans, god forbid. Who remembers Hysel, the bottom line is if both stadiums had been all seater then neither would have happened IMO Anyway I respect anybody who wants it but I would campaign against it and nothing can change my point of view and I just ask others to respect that

Those are my reasons as I said I respect other people's point of view and all I ask is for them to respect mine.

Anyway its sort of an irrelevent debate because it will never happen at our club for the reasons stated earlier.

On a debate issue All seater has to be safer because in all seater you have a designated seat for a designated customer, where with terracing you could still have a situation you had in Athens with people getting in, at least in athens even if the wrong people got in you still had the correct number in the stadium

As I said it doesnt really matter anyway