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A lot of people are creaming themselves over Nani and Anderson because they cost £17 million but because Lucas has only cost £6-7 million they dont want to know.
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Little bit controversial this, I know, but Rafa's record for signing attacking players is on the wobbly side. It's not disastrous, by any means - and the money he's had to spend is certainly a factor where the cost of attacking players is concerned - but it is certainly questionable in a way his defensive signings generally aren't. Ferguson, whilst not immune to transfer fuck ups himself, has a very good track record for signing top quality offensive players.
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Re: Lucas
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Little bit controversial this, I know, but Rafa's record for signing attacking players is on the wobbly side. It's not disastrous, by any means - and the money he's had to spend is certainly a factor where the cost of attacking players is concerned - but it is certainly questionable in a way his defensive signings generally aren't. Ferguson, whilst not immune to transfer fuck ups himself, has a very good track record for signing top quality offensive players.
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2nd June 2007, 05:55 PM
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Sissoko didn't improve at all in his time here, in my opinion. If anything he actually went backwards a little bit.
Rafa definitely improved players in terms of concentration and tactical awareness, but in terms of technical ability? I haven't seen much evidence of that.
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I think he meant Benitez made Sissoko into the player he is at Valencia.
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2nd June 2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: Lucas
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Little bit controversial this, I know, but Rafa's record for signing attacking players is on the wobbly side. It's not disastrous, by any means - and the money he's had to spend is certainly a factor where the cost of attacking players is concerned - but it is certainly questionable in a way his defensive signings generally aren't. Ferguson, whilst not immune to transfer fuck ups himself, has a very good track record for signing top quality offensive players.
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That's a bit harsh, Paul. Solely comparing us to ManU, we've not been far off their spending defensively, but what's Rafa's most expensive attacking signing? Kuyt at £10m?
Saha, Ronaldo and Rooney all cost far more, so have these new kids. Add that to Giggs and Scholes, their attack but be valued 3-4 times ours.
Which is what you've been saying for the past week, but I don't think you can blame Rafa for poor attacking signings when they've all been less than £10m.
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Re: Lucas
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Which is what you've been saying for the past week, but I don't think you can blame Rafa for poor attacking signings when they've all been less than £10m.
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Best player in the world at the moment - 6 million pound.
Whether you spend 3 or 30 million you still have a responsibility to spend that wisely. In an attacking sense we've had a succession of managers that have failed to do that.
The impression people give is that pay below ten million and you're guarenteed to get a dud when that's just not the case.
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6 million pounds? If you're refering to Ronaldo, I think he cost 12 mill
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Kaka - 6 million pound.
Could be less than that even as alot of places quote Milan as signing him for around 8 million dollars.
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Kaka - 6 million pound.
Could be less than that even as alot of places quote Milan as signing him for around 8 million dollars.
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Re: Lucas
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Best player in the world at the moment - 6 million pound.
Whether you spend 3 or 30 million you still have a responsibility to spend that wisely. In an attacking sense we've had a succession of managers that have failed to do that.
The impression people give is that pay below ten million and you're guarenteed to get a dud when that's just not the case.
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But we've been trying to sign immediate first teamers to play catch up for that money, not youngsters who can grow into an already established team.
Rafa has spent wisely with what he's had, with the possible exception of Pennant.
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Pennant has been one of the main contributors this season. At least the second half of it. Money well spent if you ask me. Reasonably priced as well.
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Pennant has been one of the main contributors this season. At least the second half of it. Money well spent if you ask me. Reasonably priced as well.
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I gotta agree... After the new year Pennant's play has been vital for us. His service is inconsistant but he'll occassionally drop a beautiful cross in for a chance.
His runs down the right show how much we miss wide players.
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Re: Lucas
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That's a bit harsh, Paul. Solely comparing us to ManU, we've not been far off their spending defensively, but what's Rafa's most expensive attacking signing? Kuyt at £10m?
Saha, Ronaldo and Rooney all cost far more, so have these new kids. Add that to Giggs and Scholes, their attack but be valued 3-4 times ours.
Which is what you've been saying for the past week, but I don't think you can blame Rafa for poor attacking signings when they've all been less than £10m.
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Owen - I made that point in the post you quoted. Also, the reason I made the comparison with United was to explain both my concerns about their signings to Coop, as well as my relative lack of excitement about our new young 'uns. Hopefully Lucas and Leto will be fucking ace, but I've had my fingers burnt too many times over the signing of "gems" to get worked up again without ever having seen them play.
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Re: Lucas
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Owen - I made that point in the post you quoted. Also, the reason I made the comparison with United was to explain both my concerns about their signings to Coop, as well as my relative lack of excitement about our new young 'uns. Hopefully Lucas and Leto will be fucking ace, but I've had my fingers burnt too many times over the signing of "gems" to get worked up again without ever having seen them play.
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But that is essentially what Ferguson has signed, two gems. They are bright prospects, but they haven't played top flight football for very long.
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3rd June 2007, 07:02 AM
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But that is essentially what Ferguson has signed, two gems. They are bright prospects, but they haven't played top flight football for very long.
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But what I'm saying is that his track record for signing attacking players (including the odd "gem") is, while far from perfect, much better than any Liverpool manager's since Kenny. When he's sure about a player, he'll spend whatever it takes to get him. Hence £13m for Ronaldo (when we were trying to pay £4m), £30m for Rooney, £19m (I think) for The Horse and £35m for these two. Of course they could both fail, but I suspect at least one of them will fulfill his potential and become phenomenal. The same could obviously be true of our young lads, but I can't get the names Gonzalez, Pennant, Bellamy, Cisse, Le Tallec, Pongolle, etc, etc out of my head.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not writing our new lads off. In fact I'm really looking forward to seeing them play for us. However, I won't be overboard about them until I do.
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Re: Lucas
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But what I'm saying is that his track record for signing attacking players (including the odd "gem") is, while far from perfect, much better than any Liverpool manager's since Kenny. When he's sure about a player, he'll spend whatever it takes to get him. Hence £13m for Ronaldo (when we were trying to pay £4m), £30m for Rooney, £19m (I think) for The Horse and £35m for these two. Of course they could both fail, but I suspect at least one of them will fulfill his potential and become phenomenal. The same could obviously be true of our young lads, but I can't get the names Gonzalez, Pennant, Bellamy, Cisse, Le Tallec, Pongolle, etc, etc out of my head.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not writing our new lads off. In fact I'm really looking forward to seeing them play for us. However, I won't be overboard about them until I do.
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I know what you mean, but I think people are getting too carried away with this pair. 35 million is a hell of a lot. Fergie has failed before. Going off some people's reaction (not including you in this) we should be throwing the towel in due to them spunking 50 million on a defensive midfielder who would struggle to get a game for us and two unproven potential Ronaldos.
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