Fans behavior last night...

[Dbnred]

I'm a fan from Durban South Africa, I've watched almost every LFC game this year on satellite TV, probably more than you guys in the UK get to see. I always envy the local supporter in Liverpool who get to watch our boys, live, week in and week out. I often wonder if they realize how fortunate they are to be able to experience this and marvel how they are there, at Anfield, week in and week, out even though the cost must be horrendous. They are heroes, every one. True fans of the club?

Last night and for the first time ever, I was ashamed by the actions of my fellow red supporters at Anfield. Robbie Fowler is always our very special player, and he put in a sterling performance. I would always like to see him on the field all the time too. The booing that happened when he was substituted was totally unbecoming of any fan of LFC. Not only was it an insult to the shirt, but an absolute downright slap in the face to the two players affected namely, Morientes and Cisse. This was apparent in the goal celebration of Moro when he scored in front of the Kop and did not even acknowledge them. How can you even think to question Rafa's decisions? Should we not respect and accept what he chooses to do with the team during a match. Has he not earned this? Sure healthy critics is a good thing but that should be done before or after a game, not during one. How is it going to help the players on the field to perform? Sure Moro may be gone next year but he's there now, and wears our shirt now, and for that reason should be supported now. Support during a match should be and always was unconditional. Not last night. Why did the Kop not chant Moro's name when he scored? (If they did, it was damn soft because I did not hear it). I'll tell you, that he certainly did not hear it too. Shame on us.

I'm not saying that Moro, and to a lesser extend Cisse, do not warrant critics for their recent lack of form, but for our own fans to desecrate our sacred ground with such "Manc like" behavior, saddens me tremendously. Questions need to be asked on who is being supported? With the greatest of respect for Robbie and I'm confident he'd agree, the team is not Fowler FC but LFC, and it has always been our credo that no player is more important than the club.Nor is it any players fault if he is selected, substituted or brought on during a match. It is not Robbie's fault and I'm not blaming him, but some of our local fans do not understand or have forgotten simple basics - We support our club and our players.. no matter what. In the past we've had our fair share of players who, quite frankly, were not up to standard, but even then, never has any player or manager not been supported or openly insulted at Anfield in the manner, last night. Anyone who wears that red shirt with the liverbird on their chests will be supported unconditionally by a true fan or red, as I call them.

A person does not choose to become a LFC supporter. They become one at an early age when they see and recognize "something special" about this club and their fans, as witnessed last week in our champs league loss when the kop spontaneously burst into singing "You'll never walk alone" immediately after we conceded. My young son, immediately recognized for himself that this was a special club and a new red was born.(admittedly his old man must have had some influence). Any youngster watching last night would not be able to see that "something special" because my fellow reds in the stands all around Anfield reacted like any other fan of any other club, throwing their toys if thing do not go their way. Before anyone says that it was a minority of supporters who did the booing, on the Telly it sounded quite the opposite, so much so, the Sky commentator even spoke about it. Disgraceful.

And so I appeal to all locally based fans "Come out with a clear statement condemning this behavior so that, that "something special" remains with our club now and for ever.

sorry for the long thread.. but I am really pissed off...

[Bob Spunkmouse]

i will take time to read the whole post in a bit when i can, but reading the first couple of paragraphs i just want to put my slant on it.

Morientes has been poor recently, more than that, it is always his partner that seems to be replaced and never him. Robbie qas playing well, chasing everything and looking VERY sharp. Morientes was trying hard but not acheiving anything.

I personally didnt boo, mainly becuase i was too fucking cold, but i can totally understand why some did.
Glad he scored, and yes our reaction did affect the way he celebrated and his reaction when he was substituted, but hey, i hope he realises a tap in from a yard isnt enough, he needs to do more and i'm glad he's not happy - if he was happy with how things are i would be very disappointed.

As an aside, I have shared a season ticket and have been to more than half of the games this season and last, every game bar one in europe last year and all but anderlecht this year and that is the FIRST TIME i have seen him score for us.

what does that say?

[plonky]

Originally Posted by Dbnred

And so I appeal to all locally based fans "Come out with a clear statement condemning this behavior so that, that "something special" remains with our club now and for ever.

We'd need to set up a committee for that and take a vote

[tactics truck]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

i will take time to read the whole post in a bit when i can, but reading the first couple of paragraphs i just want to put my slant on it.

Morientes has been poor recently, more than that, it is always his partner that seems to be replaced and never him. Robbie qas playing well, chasing everything and looking VERY sharp. Morientes was trying hard but not acheiving anything.

I personally didnt boo, mainly becuase i was too fucking cold, but i can totally understand why some did.
Glad he scored, and yes our reaction did affect the way he celebrated and his reaction when he was substituted, but hey, i hope he realises a tap in from a yard isnt enough, he needs to do more and i'm glad he's not happy - if he was happy with how things are i would be very disappointed.

As an aside, I have shared a season ticket and have been to more than half of the games this season and last, every game bar one in europe last year and all but anderlecht this year and that is the FIRST TIME i have seen him score for us.

what does that say?

You and those you condone are ruining our club and the kop. You don't deserve what we have

[plonky]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

I personally didnt boo, mainly becuase i was too fucking cold, but i can totally understand why some did.

nah, there's no way that can be excused

[Dbnred]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

i will take time to read the whole post in a bit when i can, but reading the first couple of paragraphs i just want to put my slant on it.

Morientes has been poor recently, more than that, it is always his partner that seems to be replaced and never him. Robbie qas playing well, chasing everything and looking VERY sharp. Morientes was trying hard but not acheiving anything.

I personally didnt boo, mainly becuase i was too fucking cold, but i can totally understand why some did.
Glad he scored, and yes our reaction did affect the way he celebrated and his reaction when he was substituted, but hey, i hope he realises a tap in from a yard isnt enough, he needs to do more and i'm glad he's not happy - if he was happy with how things are i would be very disappointed.

As an aside, I have shared a season ticket and have been to more than half of the games this season and last, every game bar one in europe last year and all but anderlecht this year and that is the FIRST TIME i have seen him score for us.

what does that say?

Read the whole post..

[Dbnred]

So booing him will make him do better? Why not sit with the away supporters then. that is after all their job, is it not?

[Bob Spunkmouse]

Originally Posted by tactics truck

You and those you condone are ruining our club and the kop. You don't deserve what we have

firstly where did i say i condoned it? i said i understand it, i understand why palestinians turn to suicide bombings, i dont fucking condone it.

secondly you dont know anything about me or what i do or dont deserve. I've given as much for the support of this club (at home) as anyone else this season, like it or not.

i admit my 'it was fucking cold' excuse makes it sound like i wanted to boo, which isnt the case, all i'm saying is that i can understand it.

[Bob Spunkmouse]

Dbnred, firstly my apologies for not reading the post in its entirity, i was busy and i suppose my comments should have waited til after i had. in fact i do agree with a lot of what you say, i dont like the 'local fans should condemn it...' though because that suggest that it is only the OOT element that bring this with them when it really isnt.

Against Benfica i had a big barney with a knobhead next to me, who was a scouser, who offered no support only ever jibes and slagging and didnt sing a note, not even in that special moment after they scored the second, a moment that made me feel very proud.

I agree that any player should be supported when in the red shirt, but surely you can understand (TT, notice i say understand) peoples reaction when this apparant favouritism is shown. The booing was not for Morientes in my opinion, it was for the refusal to substitue him no matter if the other player is playing better.

As for singing his name when he scored, there was some, not much, but then there wasnt much all agme really and i'm sure a lot of people would have felt very hypocritical singing his name so shortly after that incident. Not right but again understandable.

[Dbnred]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

Dbnred, firstly my apologies for not reading the post in its entirity, i was busy and i suppose my comments should have waited til after i had. in fact i do agree with a lot of what you say, i dont like the 'local fans should condemn it...' though because that suggest that it is only the OOT element that bring this with them when it really isnt.

Against Benfica i had a big barney with a knobhead next to me, who was a scouser, who offered no support only ever jibes and slagging and didnt sing a note, not even in that special moment after they scored the second, a moment that made me feel very proud.

I agree that any player should be supported when in the red shirt, but surely you can understand (TT, notice i say understand) peoples reaction when this apparant favouritism is shown. The booing was not for Morientes in my opinion, it was for the refusal to substitue him no matter if the other player is playing better.

As for singing his name when he scored, there was some, not much, but then there wasnt much all agme really and i'm sure a lot of people would have felt very hypocritical singing his name so shortly after that incident. Not right but again understandable.

Thanks RedRobMol. It is very disturbing for us overseas based fans to see our kop turn on our own.. I'm sure many feel the way you do as did I. I also felt Moro should have been taken off. I just think that we, as fans, need to maintain our high standards. We are recognised as the best and most knowledgable fans in he world. It looks good to our "enemies" when we start to act like them. Anyway.. I'm sure many people would be feeling downright bad about what happened..

[Brownie]

I never booed but I wasn't happy with the substitution and I was proved wrong so there you go!

You have to accept that these things are going to happen at Anfield now because it's full of johnny come lately's. The amount of 'easy easy' shite going on around me in the main stand was sickening - where I was sat they were taking enormous pleasure out of goading the Fulham fans. There was only about 100 of them for christs sake!

It's pathetic but it's modern-day football fanfare.

[RedinSweden]

Originally Posted by Ian_Brown

I never booed but I wasn't happy with the substitution and I was proved wrong so there you go!

You have to accept that these things are going to happen at Anfield now because it's full of johnny come lately's. The amount of 'easy easy' shite going on around me in the main stand was sickening - where I was sat they were taking enormous pleasure out of goading the Fulham fans. There was only about 100 of them for christs sake!

It's pathetic but it's modern-day football fanfare.

I am hoping that it is just a passing fad, but the way clubs seem to be pandering to them doesn't fill me with too much optimism.

[LEF]

Robbie went of due to a slight knock i believe. He went straight down the tunnel with a physio. Rafa had no choice in the sub if thats the case. But booing was wrong. And it was the majority not minority that where booing.

[aws]

Kopites are gobshites.

[RedKnight]

Originally Posted by Ian_Brown

I never booed but I wasn't happy with the substitution and I was proved wrong so there you go!

You have to accept that these things are going to happen at Anfield now because it's full of johnny come lately's. The amount of 'easy easy' shite going on around me in the main stand was sickening - where I was sat they were taking enormous pleasure out of goading the Fulham fans. There was only about 100 of them for christs sake!

It's pathetic but it's modern-day football fanfare.

Agree with all of that.

[Dbnred]

Originally Posted by RedinSweden

I am hoping that it is just a passing fad, but the way clubs seem to be pandering to them doesn't fill me with too much optimism.

Yes but something should be done. The club should take the lead on this. How close is the club to its fan base? what about the official supporters club?
They need to put out advise. Maybe a charter..

[RedKnight]

Originally Posted by Dbnred

Yes but something should be done. The club should take the lead on this. How close is the club to its fan base? what about the official supporters club?
They need to put out advise. Maybe a charter..

About supporting the team? It would never work. Besides, most people on here who go to games learnt the The Liverpool Way by learning from another generation of supporters. With Sky's influence on the game, plus this new fad to revel in any victory no matter how big or small, means that newer supporters act like they do.

[cochcaer]

Originally Posted by Dbnred

Thanks RedRobMol. It is very disturbing for us overseas based fans to see our kop turn on our own.. ..

Turned is a bit strong, it's all pantomine and no dioubt soon forgotten about. You could view it as a message to Rafa or backhanded compliment to Robbie.

[tactics truck]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

Dbnred, firstly my apologies for not reading the post in its entirity, i was busy and i suppose my comments should have waited til after i had. in fact i do agree with a lot of what you say, i dont like the 'local fans should condemn it...' though because that suggest that it is only the OOT element that bring this with them when it really isnt.

Against Benfica i had a big barney with a knobhead next to me, who was a scouser, who offered no support only ever jibes and slagging and didnt sing a note, not even in that special moment after they scored the second, a moment that made me feel very proud.

I agree that any player should be supported when in the red shirt, but surely you can understand (TT, notice i say understand) peoples reaction when this apparant favouritism is shown. The booing was not for Morientes in my opinion, it was for the refusal to substitue him no matter if the other player is playing better.

As for singing his name when he scored, there was some, not much, but then there wasnt much all agme really and i'm sure a lot of people would have felt very hypocritical singing his name so shortly after that incident. Not right but again understandable.

By 'understanding' you are missing the point. What right has anyone to question, or even try to tell Rafa how to do his job when he is trying to do his job during the 90 minutes?
How would you like some people walking round after you in work giving you grief? "OO, you always drink your brew out of that cup, that's just favouritism. Booh, Hiss!"
How about Mori the human being being made to feel alone amongst 40,000? That should never happen to a red player. Anyone who says' it's sky' is just using one bunch of wankers to justify another bunch of wankers.
How about telling it like it is and calling a prick a prick?

[Bob Spunkmouse]

Originally Posted by tactics truck

By 'understanding' you are missing the point. What right has anyone to question, or even try to tell Rafa how to do his job when he is trying to do his job during the 90 minutes?
How would you like some people walking round after you in work giving you grief? "OO, you always drink your brew out of that cup, that's just favouritism. Booh, Hiss!"
How about Mori the human being being made to feel alone amongst 40,000? That should never happen to a red player. Anyone who says' it's sky' is just using one bunch of wankers to justify another bunch of wankers.
How about telling it like it is and calling a prick a prick?

if you like... you're a prick. (sorry,too obvious i know)

I disagree. if i was doing a job that say 50% of my duties were to please 40000 people, then i would expect to get told if what i was doing didnt please them. it wouldnt necessarily change my view or what i did, but i would expect to get told.

Mori feeling alone amongst 40000, very poetic, and i do feel sympathy for him i honestly do.