Fans behavior last night...

[Bob Spunkmouse]

one thing i also meant to mention, and this is not a knock at anyone at all, whatsoever, but it is easier to knock it when you're sat at home on your sofa or watching in the pub.

maybe that adds value to your point as you see it with a clear view without any of the little annoyancies that build up when you are at the game, but it also adds weight to my understanding of it.

[Dbnred]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

i've just re-read some of my posts and the one word that sprang to mind was BRENDAN, so i apologise. i sound like an arrogant antagonistic prick.

i agree that booing is not right, but to suggest it is only the johnny come latelies and the OOT'ers, which i know you havent directly but its what it sounds like you're getting at, is just bollocks.

people booed, it was a majority, the majority at anfield are good reds who are in the main scousers and mostly regular math goers, so its obviously the way a lot of people feel.

Just because the majority feel that way it does not make it right. In fact is is downright wrong. It does not say much about the calibre of fan we are attracting in this day..

[Bob Spunkmouse]

Originally Posted by Dbnred

Just because the majority feel that way it does not make it right. In fact is is downright wrong. It does not say much about the calibre of fan we are attracting in this day..

this is the sort of comment that riled me in the first place. the fanbase is the same as its been for 20 years, its mostly local people and then some OOT regulars and then the day trippers.

i know that it does not make it right, but it must say something about the feeling around anfield. if results were going brilliantly and he wasnt scoring the fans wouldnt be so quick to jump on his back, plus he'd probably have more confidence and the things he is trying might be coming off, but the fact that isnt the case means that fans jump on him because he doesnt look like hes giving it everything. this is born our of frustratoin more than anything imo.

[DT]

Last night's crowd will have had a higher percentage of local fans than normal games simply because a) it was moved so late, and b) it was a weeknight, meaning lots of foreign fans couldn't go and I would expect the same for English Liverpool fans up and down the country.

[fivetimes]

Originally Posted by Dbnred

Just because the majority feel that way it does not make it right. In fact is is downright wrong. It does not say much about the calibre of fan we are attracting in this day..

Alright it defo wasnt on but come on dont go overboard!?

Calibre of fan?

[Bob Spunkmouse]

Originally Posted by fivetimes

Alright it defo wasnt on but come on dont go overboard!?

Calibre of fan?

thats what i've been trying to say, pehaps i should have just kept it simple.

[tactics truck]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

i've just re-read some of my posts and the one word that sprang to mind was BRENDAN, so i apologise. i sound like an arrogant antagonistic prick.

i agree that booing is not right, but to suggest it is only the johnny come latelies and the OOT'ers, which i know you havent directly but its what it sounds like you're getting at, is just bollocks.

people booed, it was a majority, the majority at anfield are good reds who are in the main scousers and mostly regular math goers, so its obviously the way a lot of people feel.

Fair points. Perhaps I shouldn't have jumped on the original reply as you acknowledged that you hadn't read it entirely...
I don't assume that it's the OOTers or anyone else. All I know is that it's not the kind of behavior we are reknowned for and it seems to becoming more and more of an occurence.
Your right that it seems to be the regulars as it's the majority who are doing it and thats the most worrying thing.
I don't see why Rafa's decision has to be booed for sticking with his man. He is a proven marksman everywhere else he has played who hasn't done it for us. Surely when the game is won it's reasonable for him to leave the man on to see if he can score and then maybe that would raise his confidence. We could then have a man in goalscoring form. We're stuck with what we've got anyway so why is the crowd undermining that?
He scored, proving Rafa right but didn't get any respect for it and all that Rafa did is probably undone because he is unlikely to feel positive when that's the reaction. Where that leaves our season is another point again.

At least Branston and the like come on here to complain/slag off and not do it duing the 90 minutes. Thats what the forum is for but you should get behind the lads and the manager. More so when we're winning and under a successful manager that we should appreciate..

[fivetimes]

Originally Posted by RedRobMol

thats what i've been trying to say, pehaps i should have just kept it simple.

sorry mate not read every reply - i agree with you then

[brendan]

Surely when the game is won it's reasonable for him to leave the man on to see if he can score and then maybe that would raise his confidence. We could then have a man in goalscoring form. We're stuck with what we've got anyway so why is the crowd undermining that?

It wasn't won at 2-1; Fulham were still extremely dangerous; God had already scored and is a legend in most fans' eyes; Spanish Erik hadn't scored since Dec 10th 2005.

I think it's pretty FUCKING OBVIOUS why some members of the crowd voiced a certain amount of displeasure.

I don't necessarily agree with it, just like I didn't join in with the cretinous booing of Harry Kewell in Istanbul, but understand it? Yes.

You're a sanctimonious twat.

[tactics truck]

Originally Posted by brendan

It wasn't won at 2-1; Fulham were still extremely dangerous; God had already scored and is a legend in most fans' eyes; Spanish Erik hadn't scored since Dec 10th 2005.

I think it's pretty FUCKING OBVIOUS why some members of the crowd voiced a certain amount of displeasure.

I don't necessarily agree with it, just like I didn't join in with the cretinous booing of Harry Kewell in Istanbul, but understand it? Yes.

You're a sanctimonious twat.

What happend after that though.........(Avoiding namecalling because it diverts from the argument which you cannot actually win)

[Rafa's Peggy's]

I don't think anyone would have booed last night if Rafa would have took Garcia or Kewell off. But the fact that he took Fowler off last night, when he looked our most dangerous player, in a game where we where chasing a goal to kill the game caused the discontnent. The fans weren't booing Rafa, which was shown by him getting his name sung repeatedly during the night, and Rafa is smart enough to know that the fans have a right to an opinion on things and he has shown that he is strong enough to go his own way. That's what makes him the manager he is and is the reason why he's in the dugout and we're on internet forums.

For the people who said that it is the Johnny Come Lately's that booed, stop trying to take the easy way out. I didn't personally boo last night, but my brother did and he has been going the match for years. Everyone has the right to show their discontent and the fans did last night but we ultimately supported the team once the decision had been made.

[tactics truck]

Yes I'm sure Rafa loves being undermined.
It doesn't matter which player he took off. Although the fact that Robbie isn't 100% fit enough and Rafa is likely to not want to get him injured perhaps didn't cross your mind?

[Rafa's Peggy's]

Originally Posted by tactics truck

Yes I'm sure Rafa loves being undermined.
It doesn't matter which player he took off. Although the fact that Robbie isn't 100% fit enough and Rafa is likely to not want to get him injured perhaps didn't cross your mind?

Robbie didn't look unfit to me or anyone else in the ground. In fact he looked sharper than he has in a long, long time. He didn't look like he was carrying a knock either, so we stupidly thought that Rafa might be taking our most dangerous player off for other reasons. How stupid of us eh?

[tactics truck]

Originally Posted by Rafa's Peggy's

Robbie didn't look unfit to me or anyone else in the ground. In fact he looked sharper than he has in a long, long time. He didn't look like he was carrying a knock either, so we stupidly thought that Rafa might be taking our most dangerous player off for other reasons. How stupid of us eh?

I'm not saying the thought you sraw from what Rafa does is right or wrong but theres still no justification for booing.
He might have looked lively for 60 mins but that doesn't mean he is ready for the last half hour. That could bring on a hamstring pull or something silly because his body isn't ready for that last half hour. He's not 21 anymore and Rafa has said he will take time to be 100%, the last month of the season in fact. He has a team of well paid expert fitness trainers etc behind him nodding sagely when he says that.
I don't care how he looks to the crowd. He may well have been brought off for other reasons but even so as the original post said we support LFC not Robbie FC.

[Rafa's Peggy's]

Don't lecture me on who I support. The fans last night had a right to their opinion, whether booing is the right way to express it is another matter. Robbie was having a great game last night and the fact that he was shaking his head as he was going down the tunnel showed how disappointed he was to come off. Morientes went missing for most of the game, and he is testing the patience of even the most loyal fan when he turns in performances like the one he did last night. I don't think Rafa actually minds the fact that the fans voice their opinion, as he knows that ultimately we are behind him and the team and we have shown this on countless occassions. People like you need to get of your soapbox and wake up to the fact that every body has their own way of dealing with things and Rafa is strong enough to make his own decisions, regardless of what the fans think. If he weren't, how could we justify his wages?

[tactics truck]

Originally Posted by Rafa's Peggy's

Don't lecture me on who I support. The fans last night had a right to their opinion, whether booing is the right way to express it is another matter. Robbie was having a great game last night and the fact that he was shaking his head as he was going down the tunnel showed how disappointed he was to come off. Morientes went missing for most of the game, and he is testing the patience of even the most loyal fan when he turns in performances like the one he did last night. I don't think Rafa actually minds the fact that the fans voice their opinion, as he knows that ultimately we are behind him and the team and we have shown this on countless occassions. People like you need to get of your soapbox and wake up to the fact that every body has their own way of dealing with things and Rafa is strong enough to make his own decisions, regardless of what the fans think. If he weren't, how could we justify his wages?

Sorry you're right. I'll pack my soapbox away and hope that someone else with a little more patience reads what you've just seriously said and all the judgements you made about what you think happend and perhaps you'll come to...nar, no chance.

[Liquid football]

Im more concerned that unless were playing everton or united, it sounds like a morgue.

[aws]

It sounded like a morgue for most of the Manc league game as well.I wonder why it was so much better for the cup game.

[andyfm]

This is stupid. We've booed substitutions we don't agree with since way back. I've done it loads, so have all my mates and nobody has ever felt the need to even have a second thought about it. Let alone be pulled up on it by a fcuking satellite TV fan from South Africa (no offence mate, but I think you're out of line having a go). There are reasons to slate our support, but this ain't one of them.

Fowler was playing very well. The booing wasn't a slight against any of our other strikers, more against taking off one of our most dangerous players when the match was still finally balanced. The fact that the non dangerous striker and 2 of the substitutes then scored just shows why Rafa is the manager and we are just internet saddos.