Our style of play

[Rashid]

Most reds I know who were there during the glory days of the late seventies say that Liverpool were like a machine much like the great AC Milan sides of Arigo Sacchi (a man who is much admired by Rafael Benitez). So what does this machine entail and what type of line up can we expect from Benitez? Others in the nineties always relate the 1988 season as epitome of the ‘Liverpool Way’ of playing but although that appears to be our most attacking side it certainly was not the way we ‘had always played’. From videos I have seen we always played with pose and composure, we passed and move, we defended well and we were winners. We peaked in 1988 and had we been in Europe surely we would have won the European Cup.

In 1987 after losing Ian Rush, Kenny bought Beardsley from Newcastle, Aldridge from Oxford and Barnes from Watford for a combined fee of about £3.5M – it was a statement of intent that after losing one of our most influential players we could still survive. It also rekindled the link man forward line ala Kenny and Rushie with a new duo of Beardsley and Aldridge – a style that Benitez has favoured at Valencia with Aimar and Mista.

Valencia used solid center backs who were comfortable on the ball, two full backs who could defend better than they can attack but to balance that they used two out and out attacking wingers in Vicente and Refute. The center midfield duo of Albelda and Baraja not only provided strength it had composure and attacking intent.

So what of Liverpool now Benitez has arrived? From what I have seen of him this past 2-3 years he:

1. Always has players in their natural positions.
2. Likes strong players at the back and in center midfield.
3. Plays 3 attacking midfielders behind one front man.
4. Likes him teams to have a solid base from which to attack from – ie – if the team cannot win it certainly will not lose mentally.
5. He likes to rotate his teams but the same line up always play the big games (discounting Aimar being dropped due to loss of fitness for the Uefa Cup Final).

Very much like how Houllier tried to get Liverpool to play but his cautious nature and need to play certain trusted players at all cost meant that he tried too hard to fill round holes with square pegs.

These are very exciting times to be a red and I am so looking forward to seeing a style of play as Benitez said “a combination of Liverpool and Valencia” so a team like this would be no surprise.

Kirkland
Finnan (New CB) Hyypia Carragher
(new RM) Gerarrd (new CM) Kewell
Owen Cisse

We have four strikers at the club who are not link men but we do have players who can play that role, like Kewell, Le Tallec and Smicer but this would mean that one of the strikers do not play and with such an abundance of talent I believe Benitez will play Owen and Cisse or Baros.

Which leads me to my last point in that I think Owen could well be our very own Raul and play just off the front man. Scoring goals but also creating things, running at players, being a little more deeper and behind the electric pace of Baros or Cisse. It would be a new role for the boy wonder but one I feel could well be the making of him as Owen has far more to his game than just as a striker.

Most interesting of all will the signings Rafael Benitez makes to play a style he believes will have us challenging again.

[MLB]

How does playing Carragher at left back tie in with "playing players in their natural positions"? Surely that would mean playing Carragher at right back, or arguably centre half, with Riise at left back?

As usual, I can't tell if this post is Rashid's work or he's just pasted it from somewhere else...

[Rashid]

Originally Posted by MLB

How does playing Carragher at left back tie in with "playing players in their natural positions"? Surely that would mean playing Carragher at right back, or arguably centre half, with Riise at left back?

As usual, I can't tell if this post is Rashid's work or he's just pasted it from somewhere else...

I only post my own work, and always quote others. Carra at Left back is his best position - just because he is not left footed does not mean he is not good there - although you do have a point, he may well play RB.

[Uncle Travelling Matt]

New CB to replace Steph but leave Finnan at RB, did you see him much last season Rash?

[Tom R]

Agreed UTM.
If anyone should be moving on on last seasons evidence it is Finnan and perhaps Sami. Henchoz and Carra were far and away our best defedners last season.

[Walk On]

I think there's a good chance Rafa will sign a couple of big names now (at least we don't have to listen to Houllier's bullcrap about how we've just '....signed a new player called Steven Gerrard!!') but I also understand he likes to make use of the squad/reserve team, so I think there'll be a fair few of the young lads getting their chance this season.

New CM: Mannix?
New RB: Otsemobor
New CB: Carra

I think Benni is the man to get the best out of players like Smicer, and I think he's probably delighted at the quality of our academy right now!

AS for the style of play, I gather he starts with the defence and goes from there so I think we can expect a fairly boring start until he knows his best players going forward.....it's very exciting though.

[reder]

Personally I hope and think the back 4 will be

finnan henchoz hyypia carragher.

I think no-one can judge finnan on last season, that is completely unfair. He had 2 spells out injured and for me he did what he was told by the manager, ie do pass the half way line. On numerous occasion I saw him check his run at the half way line. Give him next season.

[Tom R]

Originally Posted by reder

Personally I hope and think the back 4 will be

finnan henchoz hyypia carragher.

I think no-one can judge finnan on last season, that is completely unfair. He had 2 spells out injured and for me he did what he was told by the manager, ie do pass the half way line. On numerous occasion I saw him check his run at the half way line. Give him next season.

I don't think Finnan is a bad player by any means. I just don't think he's up to it at the highest level.
He's quietly effective and goes about his job ina professional manner, but hs not the defence minded but attacking RB (if that makes sense) that we were led to beleive he was.

But saying that, I remember how good he was before we signed him, so perhaps another season to prove himself is fair.
I hope he proves me wrong, but I really can't see him being a Liverpool regular next seson.

[kop]

Originally Posted by Rashid

We have four strikers at the club who are not link men but we do have players who can play that role, like Kewell, Le Tallec and Smicer but this would mean that one of the strikers do not play and with such an abundance of talent I believe Benitez will play Owen and Cisse or Baros.

Which leads me to my last point in that I think Owen could well be our very own Raul and play just off the front man. Scoring goals but also creating things, running at players, being a little more deeper and behind the electric pace of Baros or Cisse. It would be a new role for the boy wonder but one I feel could well be the making of him as Owen has far more to his game than just as a striker.

Most interesting of all will the signings Rafael Benitez makes to play a style he believes will have us challenging again.

Nice piece, Rashid.

But I don't think Owen has the skills to fit that role. He don't have the technique to recieve passes facing "the wrong way". He is not creative enough to feed the strikers, and his shooting from outside the box is terrible. He should be used at what he do (or did?) best, getting passes behind the opponents defenders allowing him to use his pace, and looking for rebounds in the box.

I think Kewell, Smicer or ALT could play that role though.

My lineup would be (subs in brackets):
Kirkland (dudek)
Carra-Hyypia-new CD-Riise (Henchoz)
Gerrard-Hamann-New CM (Murphy)
Kewell (smicer)
Baros-Cisse (Owen)

Whit the mandatory injuries we still have players like ALT, Pongolle, Finnan, Welsh and others ready to step in.

[keio]

Originally Posted by Tom R

I don't think Finnan is a bad player by any means. I just don't think he's up to it at the highest level.

But saying that, I remember how good he was before we signed him, so perhaps another season to prove himself is fair.

I'm almost certain he was the premierships best right back (PFA team of the year) for two out of the three years before we bought him, with Carr been the other year.

As Tom R said give him a chance and he will be very good - he had a horrible time last season with injuries

[Uncle Travelling Matt]

Originally Posted by keio

I'm almost certain he was the premierships best right back (PFA team of the year) for two out of the three years before we bought him, with Carr been the other year.

As Tom R said give him a chance and he will be very good - he had a horrible time last season with injuries

I'd give him another chance but before and after he was injured last year he didn't look half the player his reputation suggested, he wasn't as good defensively as Carra or as Riise attacking, for me he just seemed to offer nothing and I would have preferred to see more of Semmy. But as you say, he deserves another chance.

[Total Longo]

Finnan did nothing whatsoever last season to impress me. Can't defend, clueless going forward. Semmy's cameo's ( particularly the majestic run against Southampton - which was the only saving grace to a terrible team performance ) did more to convince me that he is a far better prospect than Finnan.

[reder]

As I have said I have faith in him, also please remember he had diouf in front of him which basically meant it was 2 on 1 against him when defending becuase i.m.o. diouf is completely useless. I cant believe people are attempting to comment on his attacking capabilities given the style of play under Houllier.

Why would he be given stick, Kewell did very little and he seems to be getting off scot free. He was totally lazy in most games.

[Tom R]

Originally Posted by reder

As I have said I have faith in him, also please remember he had diouf in front of him which basically meant it was 2 on 1 against him when defending becuase i.m.o. diouf is completely useless. I cant believe people are attempting to comment on his attacking capabilities given the style of play under Houllier.

Why would he be given stick, Kewell did very little and he seems to be getting off scot free. He was totally lazy in most games.

I think Kewell had an excellent season up until Christmas.
He was carrying an injury for the rest of it which he has had an opertaion on this summer. It's a bit unfair to slate him just yet imo.
He might not have een fully committing himself in the tackle etc, but when you're playing with an injury then I can forgive that.
Houllier shoudl have rested him instead of playing him.

[Total Longo]

At least in Kewell's case he looks like he has more in him - unlike Finnan.

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Total Longo

At least in Kewell's case he looks like he has more in him - unlike Finnan.

Kewell also came out and said he`s been crap, and that he would`nt blame anything other than himself. No injuries...No manager...just himself.

That was very good to hear, a player not hiding, and other players should take notice. I expect big things from Harry this year!

[Uncle Travelling Matt]

Originally Posted by reder

As I have said I have faith in him, also please remember he had diouf in front of him which basically meant it was 2 on 1 against him when defending becuase i.m.o. diouf is completely useless. I cant believe people are attempting to comment on his attacking capabilities given the style of play under Houllier.

Why would he be given stick, Kewell did very little and he seems to be getting off scot free. He was totally lazy in most games.

Completely disagree mate, Diouf is taking some stick on here and its probably warranted, his attitude is poor, his final ball poor and his finishing is diabolical but for me he works hard up and down the flank and early on in the season Finnan would have been completely f#cked without Diouf's help. Diouf had a poor season like most in the team but he showed more promise early on than Finnan did, thats for sure!

[keio]

Originally Posted by Tom R

I think Kewell had an excellent season up until Christmas.
He was carrying an injury for the rest of it which he has had an opertaion on this summer. It's a bit unfair to slate him just yet imo.
He might not have een fully committing himself in the tackle etc, but when you're playing with an injury then I can forgive that.
Houllier shoudl have rested him instead of playing him.

Everyone seems to be slating Finnan eventhough he was out for long periods with injury yet it seems fine to put Kewells poor form down to injury

[fivetimes]

but with kewell you KNOW he can do it?

i personally dont think finnan can, but we shall see this season.

[Tom R]

Originally Posted by keio

Everyone seems to be slating Finnan eventhough he was out for long periods with injury yet it seems fine to put Kewells poor form down to injury

Perhaps you're right mate......... but I'm afraid you're not. ;-)


Kewell was fantastic before he got injured. Finnan was crap before AND after he got injured.
It's as simple as that really.

I'm prepare dto give him anotehr shot as I think we're all agreed that we haven't yet seen the player we