Kenny Dalglish?

[Uncle Travelling Matt]

I find it interesting listening to the pro's and con's of having KD back as manager, I'm 100% for it but as previously stated think I might be romanticising......

For me the pluses are:

Record as boss at L'pool:
1986 - Won League Won FA Cup
1987 - 2nd in League, League Cup Final
1988 - Won League, FA Cup Final
1989 - 2nd in League, Won FA Cup
1990 - Won League, FA Cup semi
1991 - At time of leaving....top of league, still in FA Cup
OK, Kenny had help from Bob initially and inherited a good side but that doesn't last for 5 years. He also signed Digger, Beardsley & Aldo amongst others. People say the team he left was ageing but he had some great youngsters about to break through in Macca and Robbie, he also signed Redknapp.

His record at Blackburn.
OK, he had a relatively open cheque book, Claudio Ranieri has now but he has taken a team from 4th last year to probably 2nd this year. Kenny took a team from the 1st division to WIN the Premier league, his goal may have been short term success hence some of his ageing buys but he also signed Alan Shearer. I don't think any manager will ever do what he done at Blackburn again, even with an open cheque book.

His love and passion for LFC.

The fact that along with Arsene Wenger he is the only manager to have successfully challenged Taggart to a title winning mental fight.


The negatives:

He signed Jimmy Carter, but then all manages make mistakes.
He left us. No manager has ever and should ever have to live with the pressure of what Kenny went through after 1989.

If it goes tits up, he will leave the younger generation of supporters lacking respect for him. Is that really a good enough reason not to have him?

Its a risk taking him back after 5 years out of the game. Every new manager will be a risk.

His time at Newcastle. They didn't give him a chance, he took over from their beloved Keegan and unless he made an instant improvement would never have been respected, stupid c#nts!


I'm obviously a big fan, but can anyone give me a real strong arguement as to why they think Kenny couldn't or shouldn't be the man to turn our club around and take us back to the glory days?

[Tom R]

Originally Posted by Uncle Travelling Matt

I find it interesting listening to the pro's and con's of having KD back as manager, I'm 100% for it but as previously stated think I might be romanticising......

For me the pluses are:

Record as boss at L'pool:
1986 - Won League Won FA Cup
1987 - 2nd in League, League Cup Final
1988 - Won League, FA Cup Final
1989 - 2nd in League, Won FA Cup
1990 - Won League, FA Cup semi
1991 - At time of leaving....top of league, still in FA Cup
OK, Kenny had help from Bob initially and inherited a good side but that doesn't last for 5 years. He also signed Digger, Beardsley & Aldo amongst others. People say the team he left was ageing but he had some great youngsters about to break through in Macca and Robbie, he also signed Redknapp.

His record at Blackburn.
OK, he had a relatively open cheque book, Claudio Ranieri has now but he has taken a team from 4th last year to probably 2nd this year. Kenny took a team from the 1st division to WIN the Premier league, his goal may have been short term success hence some of his ageing buys but he also signed Alan Shearer. I don't think any manager will ever do what he done at Blackburn again, even with an open cheque book.

His love and passion for LFC.

The fact that along with Arsene Wenger he is the only manager to have successfully challenged Taggart to a title winning mental fight.


The negatives:

He signed Jimmy Carter, but then all manages make mistakes.
He left us. No manager has ever and should ever have to live with the pressure of what Kenny went through after 1989.

If it goes tits up, he will leave the younger generation of supporters lacking respect for him. Is that really a good enough reason not to have him?

Its a risk taking him back after 5 years out of the game. Every new manager will be a risk.

His time at Newcastle. They didn't give him a chance, he took over from their beloved Keegan and unless he made an instant improvement would never have been respected, stupid c#nts!


I'm obviously a big fan, but can anyone give me a real strong arguement as to why they think Kenny couldn't or shouldn't be the man to turn our club around and take us back to the glory days?

There's only on reason that I can think of as to why he shouldn't be our manager again and that is that, having had so long out of the game, he won't have any contacts in regards to scouting around Europe, or with agents etc, etc.
But saying that, these are things that the club could support him with anyway and it's not like we need a whole new infrastructure and youth sytem putting in place is it. What we need is for someone to fire up some of teh fantastic talent that we already have.
Kenny's the man, but Capello/Ranieri or even O'Neill (please no!) are some of the most realistic candidates.
I'd fvcking love it, but i doubt it will happen.

[cmuller]

Another big plus is that he knows English/British footy inside out, therefore he'll need know "settling in" period that would probably be needed if we opted for a foreign coach (mourihno etc.). Same applies to MON and that's why I'd have both at the top of a managerial wish list at the present time.

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick of foreign coaches tinkering with tactics and making the game more complex than it actually is. What we need is someone who will bring a bit of stability to the side i.e. someone who knows their best 11, plays the same formation with players in their best positions etc.

We need to get back to being a top side in this country before we consider doing anything in Europe again, and a good British based manager (not anyone with a UK passport obviously!) would be the best person to do it.

[Uncle Travelling Matt]

To be honest, I don't see Ranieri being much better than what we have now. I'm livin in London and the Chelsea fans have been moaning all season about him swapping players all the time, playing players out of position and aimng to beat sh*t teams by one goal rather than hammering them......on the whole, he has done well this year and the fans are backing him in the light of recent events, but I don't think many will be gutted if he is replaced in the summer.

I'm not a fan of O'Neil either. Capello? Maybe.

[cmuller]

These managers with "webs of contacts" throughout Europe never actually deliver. Wenger is the only example of someone who has been successful at picking up near unknowns and turning them into world class talent, most others, like our own manager, makes mistake after mistake with these unproven players.

If Kenny came back, why would he need all these contacts anyway. He'd be the manager of LFC, surely any up and coming talent would be offered to us anyway? I think it's more about being a good judge of talent than scouring europe looking for little known players these days, especially at bigger clubs.

[Tom R]

"Don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick of foreign coaches tinkering with tactics and making the game more complex than it actually is. What we need is someone who will bring a bit of stability to the side i.e. someone who knows their best 11, plays the same formation with players in their best positions etc."

Exactly. I've been saying this for years. It really is one of teh most simple games one arth, made complicated by idiots.

[Barry Wom]

Originally Posted by Tom R

"Don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick of foreign coaches tinkering with tactics and making the game more complex than it actually is. What we need is someone who will bring a bit of stability to the side i.e. someone who knows their best 11, plays the same formation with players in their best positions etc."

Exactly. I've been saying this for years. It really is one of teh most simple games one arth, made complicated by idiots.

although i agree with this, from my memory kenny was one of the 1st managers in this country to start picking teams with a "horses for courses" attitude - although this rarely happened in his early years (when he was guided by paisley?), it certainly happened towards the last 2 season.

[cmuller]

The Arsenal (when he dropped Beardsley) game apart, I can't remember him making changes to the team that didn't work out.

Milwall in the cup and putting Burrowns on Gazza worked well and they're the only times I can remember him messing round with the team - although I'm waiting to be corrected!!

[Barry Wom]

Originally Posted by cmuller

The Arsenal (when he dropped Beardsley) game apart, I can't remember him making changes to the team that didn't work out.

Milwall in the cup and putting Burrowns on Gazza worked well and they're the only times I can remember him messing round with the team - although I'm waiting to be corrected!!

the arsenal away when we got thumped with about 10 full backs on the pitch? i also seem to remember he f*cked with the team and tactics for arsenal when we lost the championship.

that aside i don't remember too much (except often being baffled by his selection towards the end), but it was 14 years ago !!!

[Stu Monty]

Don't let romance blur your judgement. He's been out of the game for ages, he was poor at newcastle and as i've stated here before the B'Burn situation was very different to chelsea. They have to get past two of the finest teams to play the game in this country. He had to beat a, still developing, utd side with stupid amounts of money. All that first division stuff means nothing, the gulf was nowhere near as big and the quality of the league was a lot poorer.

We need freshness, ambition and drive. Not romantacism and looking towards the past.

[Martin]

Never go back! The only way is forward

[Total Longo]

Originally Posted by Martin

Never go back! The only way is forward

Tell that to our no.8, somebody should.

[jonathan]

Originally Posted by Tom R

There's only on reason that I can think of as to why he shouldn't be our manager again and that is that, having had so long out of the game, he won't have any contacts in regards to scouting around Europe, or with agents etc, etc.
But saying that, these are things that the club could support him with anyway and it's not like we need a whole new infrastructure and youth sytem putting in place is it. What we need is for someone to fire up some of teh fantastic talent that we already have.
Kenny's the man, but Capello/Ranieri or even O'Neill (please no!) are some of the most realistic candidates.
I'd fvcking love it, but i doubt it will happen.

he has his own sports agency with rooney and many more top young footballers as clients and ateam of scouts all over the world looking for tallent to represent

[Tom R]

Originally Posted by jonathan

he has his own sports agency with rooney and many more top young footballers as clients and ateam of scouts all over the world looking for tallent to represent

Sound.
Someone give Kenny a pen and show him where to sign....

[Vladi]

I'd have him back tomorrow.
Just imagine Sir Exlax choking on his scotch as he sees the headline
"KING KENNY BACK AT ANFIELD!!"

[Hermes]

Originally Posted by Uncle Travelling Matt

People say the team he left was ageing

Those people are talking shite. For the record he are the ages of Kenny's "ageing" team on the day he retired.

Grobelaar 34
Hysen 31
Burrows 22
Nicol 29
Gillespie 30
Houghton 29
Rush 29
Barnes 27
Molby 27
McMahon 29
Beardsley 30
Ablett 25
Staunton 22

Not many geriatrics amongst them were there?