Commons vote

[Elmyn Noos]

Those MPs that voted against Blair yesterday should be fucking ashamed of themselves, particularly the labour ones. Going against the advice of all the security services on such a serious issue just to undermine the PM is well out of order. I hope they all sleep well next time a train is blown up and it transpires that we had the culprit in custody but had to let him go. Cunts.

[Tom R]

Remember teh last time everyone followed blindly onteh advice of "The Security Services"?

"Saddam can launch weapons of mass destruction within forty five minutes"
oops.


once bitten and all that i suppose.

[DT]

I hope you sleep well next time an innocent man is to be imprisoned for 90 days without charge.

Can't believe you're willing to throw away the things which Western societies are built on just to try and combat this. Didn't we have crime and terrorism before Al-Qaueduieuea?

[aws]

Why do they need 90 days?A bullet in the knee will extract any required information in about 90 seconds.

[co1-lfc]

Yeah we had crime before the supposed 'Al-Quaeda' sure and given we had bomb problems over here in the past but we didn't have tall buildings being crashed into by fully loaded civilian airliners and suicide bombers on the London underground and bus services either, Blair was right in my opinion.

[cochcaer]

Don't know but 28 days seems about right. The Libs are holding their party line but I sense Howard in just being opportunistic.

A few weeks ago the ex's mother was involved in a creepy incident in the Trafford centre, she went to the police and when shown a set of photo's the man involved was there.

[Michael Howard]

The police said it can take them 90 days to analyse computers, translate documents etc etc which is all part of building the case against someone. Charging someone does not prevent the police continuing to gather and assimilate evidence that forms part of the later case against them - but if there is not sufficient evidence to charge them with something - after a month in custody - reasonble grounds to believe is all that is required - then no i don't think people should be held for another 2 months - even with reviews every 7 days. It is just too long.

MPs voted for 28 days detention which is longer than any other European country and double what we already had. His own Home Secretary beleived the issue should be compromosed at less than 90 days. Its a judgement issue and Tony's holier than though - I am right and you're either with us or you're with the bombers approach is insulting and offensive. He makes everything into his crusade as if he is the messiah. He failed to make his case and refused any compromise. He is not the Messiah. He is an arrogant prick who has lost it (this is Maggie's last year all over again).


We were not attacked by foreign fighters invading our country. None of the London bombers were even on the police or securty service's bloody radar.

This isn't a battle you can win by bombing Iraq nor by making us into a police state. There is a battle for hearts and minds amongst the next generation of potential terrorists unless we win that then the future is very very scary.

Its about getting the balance right between extra police powers and not fuelling the perceived injustice, alienation and sene of persecution which lead to ordinary british born and bred muslim lads deciding that what they needed to do was strap a bloody bomb to their back and kill 50 people.

[cochcaer]

Originally Posted by Michael Howard MPs voted for 28 days detention which is longer than any other European country and double what we already had. .

I thought abroad an investigative magistrate could hold you for months without charge or trial?

[Vincent Vega]

Blair's true intentions are to hold said terrorist subjects, Guantanamo Bay style, only it will be based in a holiday camp on The Isle Of Man, with the subjects to be tortured by the so called comedians Frank Carson and Jim Davidson entertaining them, and with music provided by Bucks Fizz. It will be called "Camp Pontins". Amnesty International will be truly horrified.

[bri]

along with the bullet in the knee Id consider getting that staff in that raped that ale can the other week on the team.

now there's an interesting image of interigation for the morning

[bri]

Worra bout the old fella at the labour conference who was arrested and held under the anti terrorist act.

Or the dads who climb up bridges, their held on the anti terrorist act. Seems that the only people not held on the act are the fuckin terrorists.

[tokyojoe]

Originally Posted by Michael Howard The police said it can take them 90 days to analyse computers, translate documents etc etc which is all part of building the case against someone. Charging someone does not prevent the police continuing to gather and assimilate evidence that forms part of the later case against them - but if there is not sufficient evidence to charge them with something - after a month in custody - reasonble grounds to believe is all that is required - then no i don't think people should be held for another 2 months - even with reviews every 7 days. It is just too long. MPs voted for 28 days detention which is longer than any other European country and double what we already had. His own Home Secretary beleived the issue should be compromosed at less than 90 days. Its a judgement issue and Tony's holier than though - I am right and you're either with us or you're with the bombers approach is insulting and offensive. He makes everything into his crusade as if he is the messiah. He failed to make his case and refused any compromise. He is not the Messiah. He is an arrogant prick who has lost it (this is Maggie's last year all over again). We were not attacked by foreign fighters invading our country. None of the London bombers were even on the police or securty service's bloody radar. This isn't a battle you can win by bombing Iraq nor by making us into a police state. There is a battle for hearts and minds amongst the next generation of potential terrorists unless we win that then the future is very very scary. Its about getting the balance right between extra police powers and not fuelling the perceived injustice, alienation and sene of persecution which lead to ordinary british born and bred muslim lads deciding that what they needed to do was strap a bloody bomb to their back and kill 50 people.

The objective is to turn this country into a police state.

Not on the radar ? Not sure 'bout that.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/nov...don_bomber.htm

[Tom R]

Aprt from all the ustr-political boloocks stated above, there has NEVER been a case whereby it has required anybody to be in detention for longer tahn 28 days in order to build a case against them anyway.

[Hermes]

Originally Posted by tokyojoe The objective is to turn this country into a police state.

Really? I thought it was to turn the country into an Islamic state. Then we wouldn't be able to vote on anything.

[tokyojoe]

Originally Posted by Hermes Really? I thought it was to turn the country into an Islamic state. Then we wouldn't be able to vote on anything.

Depends whose objective you're talking about

[bri]

you can bet your life that if the torries were in and putting through the 90 days labour would be having a field day

[Elmyn Noos]

Do you know what? I don't give a flying fuck about upholding our perceived moral high-ground on human rights. I don't care if the odd innocent gets banged up and then released. I don't blindly believe everything I'm told by the government, Blair, or the security services, but I trust them more than I trust the fucking liberal "you can't do that, it's not fair" sandal-wearing beardy human rights fuckers.

Criminals thrive on the understanding of society, as Liam Neeson said in the excellent Batman Begins. He's not fucking wrong.

And don't fucking talk to me about winning hearts and minds. Fuck their hearts and minds and let's get zero tolerance on these fuckwits. There'll always be religious extremists. You can't win them over. They are fundamentally against everything we stand for, and they laugh at us while we fuck around talking about human rights.