[AngryofTuebrook]

Some of these aren't real men, just nobheads who got into fights cos they couldn't do anything else.

Now for a real real man, step forward ... Bob Paisley. As a player, he'd run through walls - pausing only to kick the shit out of Mussolini - then he grew up a bit (like these "hard men" never did) and became wise and avuncular.

And he was even ruggedly handsome, in a Robert de Niro without the mole kind of way.