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Originally Posted by redrosetints Yes, but Im talkig about the historical birth of Isreal as a state. After the scond world war, Palestine was the destination for many jews fleeing persecution, which is fair enough. But they then wanted to take over palestine and embarked on an ultimatley succesful terrorist campaign against the British/Palestinian rulers. Havingt been worn down by the war and under alot of pressure from Truman, we gave soverignty of the land to those who had orchestrated the terrorism. After that, they, the govt, openly embarked on ethnic cleansing. Prior to taking control in 47 their leader Ben Gurion (IIRC) talked of the lack of safety from just a 60% jewish population, bascially saying Jews needed to live only with Jews. Later after coming to power and literally driving thousands of palestinians into the sea he stated in 48 that now once one entered isreal you saw no arabs only jews. Thats how they took power, thats what they did when they took power. Terrorism and ethnic cleansing. Since then they have settled illegally on Palestinian land, occupied vast swaths of neighbouring countries after the 67 initiative and continually breach basic geneva convention rules, such as not interferring with essential civillian services. Of course there are two sides to a story and of course one can understand the Jewish feelings of insecurity and wanting to build their own state. But those are surely the same for the Hezbollah and Hamas ?

Well put.